Lyle R. Heimbigner

Document ID: USCG-2008-1017-0006
Document Type: Public Submission
Agency: Coast Guard
Received Date: February 18 2009, at 12:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
Date Posted: February 19 2009, at 12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
Comment Start Date: February 12 2009, at 12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
Comment Due Date: March 16 2009, at 11:59 PM Eastern Standard Time
Tracking Number: 8085cfd6
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The definition of "unsafe conditions" is too restrictive. The formula while being simple does not adequately address other critical factors such as wind speed/direction and wave/swell period and current speed. Also, the direction of travel should be taken into account as it is much safer to travel with a wave vs into a wave while crossing the bar. Under the proposed formula, most of the vessels under 24 feet in length would be "locked out" of the ocean most of the time. Also, not all vessels are created equal (ie a 20 foot boat with a low center of gravity is far more seaworthy than a 25 footer that is top heavy.) In additon, the experience of the captain is critical. With a 20 foot boat, the current formual would only allow bar passage when waves are 4 feet or less. I have crossed the bar over 1000 times in a 20 foot boat (designed for ocean conditions) and probably only 20-30 percent of the crossings were with waves of less than 4 feet. About 20% of the crossings were with waves in the 6-8 foot range. Based on my experience, 6 foot waves are almost always safe when one avoids strong ebb currents and strong winds. The 8 foot waves have only been a concern when the wave period is insufficient. I have also crossed the bar with 12 foot waves, but the wave period was quite long and the waves were merely large swells. The document indicates there would not be a taking of private property. This would not be accurate in my opinion since it would drastically reduce the ability to use one's property (ie what good is a 20 foot boat if one can't use it). To implement the proposed formula would greatly impact the coastal communities involved with sport fishing as it would eliminate a large percentage of the private vessels used for recreational fishing. For my boat, I use a "formula" of 10. If the combined swell/wave height exceeds 10 or if the wind speed in MPH exceeds the length of my boat, I stay home. If the simple proposed formula was used, I would change the divider to 5 so that a 20 foot boat could generally go out on 6 foot seas. In summary, wind and wave period need to be considered. The proposed formula will kill recreational salmon fishing by "locking out" the small private fishing vessels.

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